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welcome back everybody to the disclosure

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team youtube channel i'm your host

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vinnie adams uh it's good to see

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everybody here in the live chat already

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i'm really looking forward to this

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conversation i've been um following all

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the information of the aerial case since

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i first heard about it

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anyone familiar with my channel from

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last year i interviewed gunter hofer who

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was um working with cynthia hind at the

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time and was on the scene uh following

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the case that same week

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um so that if you haven't heard that i

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highly recommend it gunter is just a

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wealth of knowledge and information as

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well as a lovely guy so go and check

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that out um but let's not waste any more

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time let's bring in my guest today and i

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would like to welcome and introduce

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mr randall nicholson randall how are you

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hi agree

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thank you so much for doing this yeah i

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really really appreciate it

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and i call out to gun gunter yeah i love

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what you said about gunter that's uh

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he's a really good man

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absolutely

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uh so randall i think it'd be great if

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we could just start with a little bit of

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a background for yourself you know uh

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your career and how you got into

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filmmaking if you don't mind

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it started when i was a kid actually um

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my mom gave me a camera i think it was

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in fifth grade and then

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she bought a really nice video camera

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and when i was in like eighth grade for

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and i'm the one that ended up using it

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all the time

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and i just shot and shot and shot a lot

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of nature because i was i grew up in a

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log cabin out in the middle of the

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hundreds of acres

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and across from my grandfather's farm

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anyway i never i love the camera i love

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not just only say you know um

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see something but be able to show the

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story to somebody else

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like yeah i really did encounter that

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bear here you go

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because people are like yeah yeah um so

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that's that was started it and then i uh

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i started doing stand-in work on films

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big movies like mermaids and

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school ties blown away all that

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standing in for a lot of very

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well-known people and i learned

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when you do stand-in work you're around

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the camera a lot director and the

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lighting people are there

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director photography

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director of photography is there as a

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camera i was like god i like this

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little rough time in my 20s and um

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i uh came back to it and i started

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you know five minute films fictional

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in new york city on 911 i was two blocks

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when that happened and i had my camera

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i it was that moment that i i said i

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need to tell stories real stories

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not fictional stories real stories and

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because i it was in that moment i felt

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god what do i have to give

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like many of my friends that were in the

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building that were all around

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we all had different experiences but it

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changed all our lives and that's really

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started me to say i'm that's it i'm

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making uh making movies

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to help

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us i mean when you see airplanes go into

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situation somehow

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yeah what an effect that must have had

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and so when did string theory films come

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piano because i was a pianist uh tuned

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pianos repaired pianos

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that's i can do that anywhere in the

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world and um focusing more on playing at

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the moment and uh

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so and then it went to when i really

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decided to i started string theory films

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and uh

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and the reason string theory like i do

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understand some of the science of it um

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probably more than most um but it was

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the fact that things are everything's

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it explains a lot

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so now i mean before we get into the

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actual mean potatoes of the story um of

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the ariel school sighting

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initially now uh since the release how

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has it been received are you happy has

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it exceeded expectations

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by a long shot i mean as far as

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people seeing and commenting and

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just uh

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i yeah it just feels very good um

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i know that the witnesses and some of

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the teachers that have talked to me like

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what i did and to me that that's

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if if the people your

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your subject matter is on are happy

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um but it's doing well we um

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we just found out we had a launch on

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sept may 9th and

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you know what didn't go very well

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one it guy and

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one team team look at it and then

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another team

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and they both told us we were hacked on

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it wasn't our fault i can finally say

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that

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will be transparent about it um but

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we're trying to trace it back to uh

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originated wow that's unbelievable yeah

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i mean i was following the release and

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everything and i saw the the

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difficulties you encountered

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but you know i knew it would be just

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something prozac and normal and out of

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your control um

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so that's understandable you were ready

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i mean that's what bothered me it's like

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and everybody was like wait a second

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was it us and then when we had uh you

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forensics guys

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i was thinking oh somebody on my team

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all you can do is move through that

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stuff but we did i do want to tell the

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public that that

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that was somebody some

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somebody uh wanted that taken down you

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know make they wanted to make it very

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difficult for us

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well it got resolved

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it got resolved and we're good

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so so obviously you released it

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uh i just wondered what made you choose

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that route other than any of the

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other options let's say

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well i had some huge options i'm sorry

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i had one with one of the biggest

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streamers in their especially

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they wanted to make changes and

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there the changes they wanted to make i

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did not agree with at all because they

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had nothing to do with the story

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so that went and uh that went away and

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told them sorry no i can't believe

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but they again they were they wanted to

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change the story

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at great risk to be honest because of i

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panicking at all

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i'd be in a good place and be like okay

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yeah you know told in first person no

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one else needed to be in that movie

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except the people that witnessed it

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everybody's first person in the film and

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that's rare

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um it's no here stay it's none of that

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it's been a struggle

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the powers that be in the film world um

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but i'm hoping that's going to come

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now that i've put it out

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and that it's doing well and that it

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people you know those people are seeing

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like well whatever this guy did it's

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working you know it works as a film and

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people are really taken for a ride

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that's exciting so i expect things to

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change pretty quick i'm already seeing

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the

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already so that's great so hopefully

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by august it's going to be

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everywhere and that was the to make this

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film like get it out i wanted everybody

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in the world to see this not for me not

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for the money

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it's just for the

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do you guys understand this happened

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you know it's not just one incident

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there's this stuff has been happening a

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long time all over the globe

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there's this is just one story there's a

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lot more stories

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yeah that's great that's really good to

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hear and i think the one thing that

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stands out for me in this documentary is

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that it's not just a ufo documentary

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it's it's got everything in it it's

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beautiful it's moving you know i have a

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really supportive partner but we don't

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sit down together and watch ufo

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documentaries but with this one we did

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and she was blown away by it and i think

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that really just shows

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your work is you know and how great it

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was and like you said if it was changed

293
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by a big network or anything it may not

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have had that raw

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emotion or effect that it that it has

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got so you know i respect that your

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decisions an awful lot to not just go

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with

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the big paycheck and stay true to the to

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the kids i suppose more than anything

301
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it was it was true to the kids and true

302
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to the story yeah i appreciate that

303
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thank you and i i um

304
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yeah i do hope it uh reaches a lot of

305
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and i didn't want to do a typical ufo

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film

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because it's its own genre

308
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it's become its own genre

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and that's like well why aren't we

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telling these real stories about people

311
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in the way we tell real stories about

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somebody that's

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in any other situation

314
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you know we treat it with a different

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way and i wanted to say

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let's do that with this it's just as

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important

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why should we have this standard thing

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about ufo the way you make a ufo movie

320
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so i wanted to break that not use a

321
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a um

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narrator

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and

324
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uh make the person feel like they're

325
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with these it was all real we

326
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every shot was like

327
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it really happened you didn't stage

328
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that's any of that it was it was kind of

329
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run and gun they call it where you're

330
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you're trying to keep up with what's

331
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going on and you're

332
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hopefully not behind the people when

333
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it's happening

334
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you know you go you try to want to you

335
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got to get into the front but you'll see

336
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a couple behind shots where it's like ah

337
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i'm behind them and i or behind emily or

338
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behind somebody and like okay damn it

339
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i did a lot of running not just me but

340
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christopher too

341
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he's been amazing as a story editor

342
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editor

343
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yeah he's

344
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he's been great

345
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brilliant man went to high school with

346
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them

347
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wow

348
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yeah

349
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so you bounce off each other well then

350
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yeah we uh

351
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yeah we got a lot of history

352
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good stuff so let's jump back like 15

353
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years or so and when the aerial case

354
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first came on your radar do you remember

355
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how that happened

356
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john mack uh at his i believe it was his

357
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office

358
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i keep trying i mean i keep remembering

359
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about that like where was that i think

360
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it was his office uh board room like in

361
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his place

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and

363
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he showed the video

364
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of these kids and i'm like

365
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caught my attention right away

366
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um just because they they were telling

367
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the truth about something for sure and i

368
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didn't know too much about the incident

369
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or how what happened but i

370
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i listened to them and then

371
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yeah it wasn't until 12 years later that

372
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i got the offer to

373
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tell the story i was like absolutely

374
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and then it became bigger than i thought

375
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it was

376
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you know everything every time i found

377
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out something new about it

378
00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:14,959
you know more footage was out there

379
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the bbc reporter what

380
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you know

381
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it just kept adding up i'm like oh my

382
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god this was huge like it affected a lot

383
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parents i mean everybody around that

384
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area

385
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yes

386
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i yeah i can't wait till more people go

387
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public and talk

388
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because there's a plenty of witnesses

389
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and not outside the school

390
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:42,720
oh wow yeah

391
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i had to cut all those people out of the

392
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movie

393
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to concentrate on ariel

394
00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:50,160
wow but there are a lot of witnesses

395
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that also saw this thing

396
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so i have no i have no problem with

397
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:59,120
critics or debunkers i don't care

398
00:15:01,750 --> 00:15:00,320
bring it

399
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:01,760
yes

400
00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:04,399
that's interesting i just don't i and

401
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,800
it's like i've got so much in the can

402
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:09,360
that if whatever people bring up you

403
00:15:14,550 --> 00:15:11,600
know if i need to to say i'm sorry

404
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:14,560
that's wrong i got video and i got and

405
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:17,040
not just that other things to

406
00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:18,480
to prove it

407
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,959
wow that's good to have it's good to

408
00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:22,079
know

409
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:27,040
and then because they're gonna say

410
00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:28,480
who knows but i'm not worried about

411
00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:30,320
critics but

412
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:32,079
sure i understand

413
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:33,759
so tell us a bit more about john mack i

414
00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:35,519
mean meeting the guy

415
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it must have been something special you

416
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:39,440
know can you talk about what he was like

417
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,360
and you know we'll hear about him and we

418
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:43,440
read about him but

419
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i'd love to know from someone that's

420
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,440
spent time with him what he was like and

421
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how he how he rubbed off on you let's

422
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:53,269
um

423
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,629
inquisitive man

424
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:02,320
uh

425
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,360
a thinker a giant thinker

426
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,000
you know i'll never forget sitting in a

427
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,800
room with him just talking with him and

428
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:12,720
looking at his eyes i'm like wow this

429
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,880
guy is brilliant

430
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:15,839
you know

431
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:18,480
yeah he's on another he's had another

432
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,440
plane

433
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:21,199
uh of of

434
00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:23,920
intelligence um

435
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:24,800
yeah

436
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,720
he was a good man and i and he took the

437
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:28,079
fight

438
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:28,880
he

439
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:33,920
you know i'm not saying you know

440
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:37,519
his family relationships friendships he

441
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:40,639
put everything on the line his career

442
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:47,110
when someone does that it's hard to

443
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:50,160
not respect that you know and uh honor

444
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,360
that like

445
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:53,600
the matter doesn't i had disagreements

446
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,880
with john too

447
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,800
you know it's not like

448
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:57,920
you know

449
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,639
but

450
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:01,199
i don't care he did something that

451
00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:15,350
let's talk about making

452
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,760
the documentary i'd love to hear some

453
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,160
behind-the-scenes stories of

454
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,160
if you can just you know regale us with

455
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:24,720
some tales that would be amazing

456
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:27,760
uh well my first trip i was alone and uh

457
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,720
well no i i was alone for a long time

458
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:32,400
but i first went into the country with

459
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,880
nikki carter one of the other reporters

460
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:36,240
and uh

461
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:37,200
uh

462
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:40,880
that was in 08 when zimbabwe was having

463
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,679
you know major

464
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,679
political upheaval i was warned by the

465
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:47,440
state department not to go into the

466
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:48,480
country

467
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:49,760
and then i found out i wasn't supposed

468
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:51,679
to be in the country at all

469
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:52,640
so

470
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,880
was american and i had all this camera

471
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:57,840
gear

472
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:00,720
and we spread it amongst all the bags

473
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,360
there was a lens over here the mic was

474
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:05,840
in like her pocketbook

475
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,480
and we we we went in like a couple like

476
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,039
we we acted like a couple

477
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,880
we landed at the airport there's this

478
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,640
guy within a business

479
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,240
suit i mean

480
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,400
thousands of dollars business suit big

481
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,919
gold watch

482
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,760
phone in his hand and he followed us

483
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,200
everywhere

484
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:25,520
and this was the cio which is basically

485
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:28,559
their intelligence and they he he stood

486
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:31,520
behind us very close we knew it was

487
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:32,960
they were trying to figure out who we

488
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:33,840
were

489
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right and uh he stood so close behind us

490
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,039
and we just played it nikki acted i

491
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:41,200
acted because we had to

492
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:42,880
you know we just played it like we're

493
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,160
going on safari in zimbabwe and then we

494
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,880
got out of the airport it was fine

495
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,400
um

496
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,320
they didn't nobody followed us out there

497
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and i stayed in a shack

498
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at um this man named jemmy

499
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:58,799
jem

500
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,799
what an amazing man he just passed away

501
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:03,120
last year and um he

502
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,880
they had this beautiful house and and

503
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,720
there you know they had a room for me

504
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:08,840
but for some reason they put me in a

505
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:12,160
shack away from the house and maybe that

506
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,679
was for a reason

507
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,600
so if i got in trouble they wouldn't be

508
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,440
coming into i don't know but no hot

509
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,160
water no electricity spiders all over

510
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,669
oh my god and then uh i mean there's so

511
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:28,160
many stories it was a trip and that was

512
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:30,559
trip one and then driving around i'll

513
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,039
never forget i'm driving down a two-lane

514
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,520
highway it must be 15 feet across at

515
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,120
night because i did most of my driving

516
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,880
around africa at night

517
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,280
and there's this thing

518
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,080
looked like a fire hose going across one

519
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,559
side of the highway to the other

520
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,200
and i came up you know with my low beams

521
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,679
and it's a snake

522
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,919
it was so big

523
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,440
from one side of the highway to the

524
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,280
other he was just warming himself on the

525
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,160
tar and then i got close and that thing

526
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,000
boogied i don't even know how fast that

527
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:04,400
that thing was fast it was probably a

528
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:05,600
rock

529
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,559
africa

530
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,120
but man

531
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,440
i usually stop and look at snakes when i

532
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,520
pass them but that one was so big i'm

533
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,120
like yeah i'm not getting out of that

534
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,720
car

535
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,480
no way

536
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,080
but man there's the stories after

537
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:23,840
stories

538
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,080
yeah

539
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,919
when i first got back from the first

540
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:30,880
trip and uh i got back in 2009

541
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:35,440
or actually christmas day on 2008 but uh

542
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:36,480
i didn't know if i was going to make it

543
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,440
home

544
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,280
really

545
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,240
wow

546
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,919
i mean because i had gone through so

547
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:43,679
many things in africa

548
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,720
you know

549
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,720
people try and mug you

550
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,280
kill you things happen

551
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,679
uh i ran into a lot of that and i really

552
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,520
felt at a certain point like i don't

553
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,280
know when to leave and when's the right

554
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,880
time to leave

555
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:59,840
and it was funny this may sound strange

556
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,000
but i was photographing the sky in the

557
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,280
clouds

558
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,039
and i have this photograph the

559
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,960
photograph was an airplane

560
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,640
i mean the cloud was in the shape of an

561
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,200
airplane extraordinarily

562
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,280
odd cloud and

563
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:14,640
i was like

564
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,840
okay i'm leaving it's time to leave

565
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,919
and i did and i made it but i don't when

566
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,080
i got home i was like i didn't think i

567
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,320
was going to make it back

568
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:26,000
i don't know if people understand what

569
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,440
that's like but when you're in countries

570
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:31,120
you do you

571
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,720
you worry about your life it's not like

572
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,720
flying into having vacation i'm driving

573
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,880
on this you know i'm staying in villages

574
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,559
shacks

575
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,640
you know all kinds of different places

576
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:42,159
and uh

577
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,039
and

578
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,039
bad stuff happens

579
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,720
great people though i love the the

580
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,000
african

581
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,840
people but there is a criminal element

582
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:51,679
that is disturbing

583
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,960
yeah sure that's really fascinating okay

584
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,320
i'll tell you one more

585
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:57,600
please dude

586
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,200
quick so i i i landed in johannesburg

587
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,120
which is like one of the cat murder

588
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,840
capitals of the world yeah and they

589
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:07,520
drove me to where i was staying and

590
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,799
there was a 12 foot fence wall

591
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,120
around the whole place with razor wire

592
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,960
on top and then i saw the guy with the

593
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,880
machine gun out front

594
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,520
and i'm like it was he had an m4 i'm

595
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,640
like

596
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,200
that i am not in america anymore

597
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,640
oh my god and i you know it was at that

598
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,760
time it's like it scared me and i was

599
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:31,679
like i don't

600
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,400
i mean i might want to go home

601
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,720
seriously i really had to consider like

602
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,360
i either do this or i don't

603
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:41,440
and if i do this i'm gonna have to buck

604
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,480
up

605
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,280
you know and and really

606
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,760
figure out how to survive there

607
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,520
because it is quite dangerous when you

608
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,520
have when you need guard guarding like

609
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,720
that

610
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,320
you a

611
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,000
criminal there's got to be a criminal

612
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,760
element that's pretty heavy duty which i

613
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,720
found out later but uh anyway i'll stop

614
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,440
talking no no that's fascinating you

615
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,720
know i love these

616
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,200
first-hand experiences so yeah it really

617
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,480
is amazing

618
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,640
but i'd love to know about the process

619
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,720
of tracking down the witnesses and how

620
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,600
that

621
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,600
was for you whether it was you know you

622
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,679
had any roadblocks along the way and

623
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,280
just the general you know trying to get

624
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,520
them all together

625
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:24,000
yeah well

626
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:25,840
um

627
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,960
the first thing i did was uh myspace at

628
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,840
the time when i had help from the gerd

629
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:33,120
family

630
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:34,240
um

631
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,200
and

632
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,720
they also helped me set up a a a

633
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,440
a page for facebook

634
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,720
and a lot of people were on facebook

635
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,240
which i mean it just kind of really

636
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,960
started taking off at this that point

637
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,760
um and i tell you if it wasn't when that

638
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:54,240
was it wasn't for that platform i

639
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:55,600
probably wouldn't have found most of

640
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,480
them

641
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,720
but that's how i initially started doing

642
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,960
it and then p then they were hearing who

643
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,799
who's this guy making a story about our

644
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,960
story

645
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,799
it was very interesting some people's

646
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,200
attitudes it was great though um and

647
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,640
then i started getting you know they

648
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,559
started contacting me

649
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,679
and

650
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,840
i'm still getting contacted by kids that

651
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,960
were there who finally you know found

652
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,440
out because some people aren't living in

653
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,840
west the western world at all

654
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,679
you know they don't even have computers

655
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,520
although

656
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,840
i found yeah i found that when trying to

657
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,840
track a few down myself for interviews

658
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,520
and they are they scattered literally

659
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,279
all four corners of the glass all over

660
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,159
the place yeah yeah that's so true

661
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,240
so do you think like with these you say

662
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,600
you've still got one coming forward

663
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,240
could we see like a an extended version

664
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,480
of the film in the future with extra

665
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,039
scenes with new witnesses well the film

666
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,880
was

667
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,640
our you know

668
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,400
we had a four hour rough cut when we

669
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,159
started and we had to whittle it down

670
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,159
whittle it down whittle it down

671
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,159
so the version that i wanted to put out

672
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,480
was two hours 12 minutes something like

673
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,679
that

674
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,480
but nobody would take a 2 hour 12 minute

675
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,320
movie you know what i mean

676
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,600
like

677
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,279
i had to get it down

678
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,679
it's 90 minutes is the standard

679
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,919
so i'm over that by eight minutes but

680
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,080
that's fine i had to get into that

681
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,640
certain area where you know you have

682
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,400
people's attention that's when they

683
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,080
start to lose attention is after 90

684
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,320
minutes unless it's really good

685
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,440
um

686
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,679
and then so yeah the the director's cut

687
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,440
still exists so

688
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,400
we already did it um it's just a longer

689
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,600
version

690
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,320
and uh we're gonna look at it again just

691
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,760
to see

692
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,039
how we can

693
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,360
make it better even better and put more

694
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,480
into it

695
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,440
um

696
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,960
but yeah that'll be a worthy watch

697
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,559
because there's just so many great

698
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,720
things that we had to cut

699
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,840
you know

700
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:53,840
we had hundreds and hundreds of hours of

701
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,440
footage it was 400 and then another 200

702
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,799
b roll

703
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,279
so we had a huge amount of films most

704
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,440
films have a hundred hours 200 hours we

705
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:05,279
had about 600.

706
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,240
wow

707
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,240
that's incredible

708
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,400
i'd certainly watch i'd watch easily

709
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,159
watch four or five hours of it i can

710
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,640
tell you all right it is fascinating

711
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,320
just watching all the archival back to

712
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:18,080
back to back to back you're like oh i

713
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,279
know that kid

714
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,640
that's that yeah

715
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,640
yeah yeah i had to figure out who who

716
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:23,600
was who

717
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,039
i had pictures and i was like okay

718
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,320
drawings whose drawings is this

719
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,400
you know all this cross-referencing to

720
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,080
figure out who was who

721
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,159
subtleties in their language

722
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,520
something you know they talked about a

723
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,200
tuck shop i didn't understand what that

724
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,200
was you know what it is right i do yeah

725
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,279
we have them at school here

726
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,640
oh that that's what they call it in

727
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,039
england as well yeah yeah ah

728
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,400
didn't know that

729
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,880
yeah so there was and there was another

730
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
word for carpool

731
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,279
uh that i didn't understand what they

732
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,679
were even talking about and i finally

733
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:01,279
figured that out

734
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,840
um but yeah this language things that

735
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,200
happens that's amazing

736
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,559
now there was one point wasn't there in

737
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,640
the making of this where

738
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,720
and maybe before the making but where

739
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,159
there was rumor that the school had

740
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,480
burned down

741
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,320
can you talk about that and how that

742
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,799
must have felt deflating you know

743
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,000
oh yeah

744
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:24,159
yeah i had no hope after a little while

745
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:25,279
i uh

746
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,000
was

747
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,080
after i got max footage and started

748
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,760
looking at that and

749
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,360
like how am i gonna make a movie with

750
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,279
just this stuff

751
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,559
you know

752
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,000
it's not enough

753
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,159
so i tried to track down the school and

754
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,320
people told me it was burnt down that it

755
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,799
had been abandoned that's no longer a

756
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:45,039
school anymore over and over

757
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:46,399
and

758
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,559
or we got in touch somebody gave me the

759
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,520
name

760
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,360
and i think i i called her she was a

761
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,640
reporter nikki carter in south africa

762
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:58,000
and uh

763
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,039
she said

764
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,799
yeah it's still there there's three

765
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,480
teachers that are still there

766
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,279
from 1994 my nephew went

767
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,000
i'm like you got to be kidding me

768
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,679
and i was like

769
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,080
very next day i booked my flight because

770
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,159
i and then i you know it took like two

771
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,640
months to prepare like i had to pack my

772
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,440
gear i had to look i didn't want to draw

773
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:21,120
too much attention

774
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,320
um

775
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,600
and then i got on the plane and i

776
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,679
realized oh yeah i am not prepared for

777
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,080
this at all

778
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,679
everybody on the plane is warning me

779
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,360
like you need to be careful in this

780
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,919
country really careful over and over and

781
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:35,440
over on the plane

782
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,640
but uh

783
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,000
and then i just when i got on the ground

784
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,679
i just bought their clothes that they

785
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,080
wore so i wouldn't stand out because and

786
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,919
and their shoes like i just didn't want

787
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:46,000
to stand out

788
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:46,880
but

789
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,360
anyway i'll stop talking again

790
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,000
no no please i love it i i really do i

791
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,720
can keep going on but yeah

792
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,960
but did i answer your question

793
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,279
yeah absolutely yeah okay

794
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,720
this is the thing and i said this before

795
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,399
we came on that wherever this

796
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,000
conversation goes if it goes on a

797
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,399
tangent that's absolutely great i love

798
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,200
those you know organic conversations so

799
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,279
please don't worry about talking too

800
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,480
much people are here to listen to you

801
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,159
that's one thing i really wanna yeah go

802
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:20,480
ahead no sorry i just wanted to talk

803
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,600
about this

804
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,279
part of the story which i've heard here

805
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,559
and there is that

806
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,559
there was supposedly a uranium mine

807
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,720
nearby and this is what these

808
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,640
beings may well have been

809
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,039
doing in that location you able to talk

810
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:35,840
about that to any degree

811
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,030
um

812
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,120
[Music]

813
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,520
how did that get out

814
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,000
i can't remember to be honest that's

815
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,480
really interesting i i you know there's

816
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,039
somebody else uh

817
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:51,840
that can speak to that that's uh i'd

818
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,600
rather not say anything but to to say

819
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,600
that person will

820
00:30:03,909 --> 00:29:59,840
he's got a lot more credibility than i

821
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,919
do and i hope he uh shares it with

822
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:05,200
with the world

823
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,320
but

824
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,320
it's interesting

825
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,320
i did look at that

826
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,360
um when it was brought up to me

827
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,880
but it's not my story i don't know

828
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,840
it

829
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,520
made sense though

830
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:21,360
in the larger picture

831
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,039
you know if that's the case which i do

832
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,559
yeah this is hard

833
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:27,840
how do i

834
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,360
at the same time it's tricky

835
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,919
to not violate people's confidence not

836
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,760
step on their

837
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:40,240
their their additions to the story which

838
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,960
are from their own work in their own

839
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,039
investigations so

840
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,320
um

841
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,480
but yeah that the whole nuclear thing is

842
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,559
very interesting

843
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,720
they seem to be very focused around that

844
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,279
stuff and i

845
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,760
seems like a message i don't know

846
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,399
yeah absolutely that's fair enough i i

847
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,399
won't push you too far i understand you

848
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,760
know

849
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,039
you have to keep certain things to

850
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,640
yourself and not

851
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,240
divulge things if people have told you

852
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,519
things in confidence or they're not

853
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,360
ready to talk about their work that's

854
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:15,679
that's fully understandable so

855
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,840
move on

856
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,640
yeah

857
00:31:22,830 --> 00:31:20,000
i just want to give a shout out because

858
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,840
gunther's here right now oh my god

859
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:25,360
[Laughter]

860
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,640
what a what an amazing man gunter is

861
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:31,600
he's brilliant i just uh you know

862
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,559
humble and very wise and i loved our

863
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,000
conversations

864
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,880
because he makes he made me think

865
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,519
you know on a deeper level about things

866
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,399
and obviously he had thought a lot out

867
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,360
over the years that takes that takes a

868
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,880
long time

869
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:50,720
yeah absolutely

870
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,840
i hope he's doing well with his his uh

871
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,760
wife and and

872
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,240
son right i think it's his son

873
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,480
his child i know he had a child

874
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,950
gunther you're gonna get another message

875
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,399
from me soon because it's about time you

876
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:08,799
came back on for the third time man it's

877
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:12,159
always always a great conversation

878
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,039
um

879
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,960
so listen let's go a bit down the

880
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,880
speculative route i mean you must over

881
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,159
the years have

882
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,600
theorized about what these beings

883
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,600
might have been and the messages that

884
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,039
they may be

885
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,960
bringing so are you able to talk on

886
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:28,640
maybe if that's changed over the years

887
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,230
yeah i i

888
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,389
went on a long journey i guess with that

889
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,240
whole

890
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,080
thing

891
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,559
feeling like i didn't

892
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:49,360
i didn't i still cannot say i know you

893
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,200
know i definitely have evolved

894
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,799
my perspective

895
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,880
um

896
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,960
and that came a lot largely due to

897
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,200
traveling all over the world flying all

898
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,320
over the world not you know myself

899
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,519
and then not not literally but

900
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,679
just flying and being above

901
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,000
the ground and looking at our planet and

902
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,840
looking at things and taking pictures of

903
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,720
things

904
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,399
from the air

905
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,269
yeah i mean i we i think people have

906
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,440
gotten into this argument about they're

907
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,399
good or bad or you know

908
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,679
malignant benign evil good you know

909
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,799
i just don't

910
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,200
want to go it's just not about that

911
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,200
you know i don't think that's what we're

912
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:36,480
looking at

913
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,399
extremely evolved species

914
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,320
i mean

915
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,840
god only knows how long they've been

916
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,200
around

917
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,279
um

918
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,559
and

919
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,120
i think they look at this planet as

920
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,840
something rather unique

921
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,640
not the only one of course

922
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,519
but

923
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:00,960
um

924
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,760
unique as a biosphere full of

925
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,360
full of all kinds of life that are

926
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,760
unique to this solar system

927
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,639
that's my feeling like that they're not

928
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,359
that they're concerned about the planet

929
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,760
itself and what it supports not just

930
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,520
human beings

931
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,119
that's where i've come to

932
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,359
and i and i and that makes sense to me

933
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,960
when i

934
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,800
think about all the people i've talked

935
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,240
with and

936
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,320
all the things i've learned

937
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,000
from those people

938
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,399
all the events that i'm aware of there's

939
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,720
a very consistent they're not they don't

940
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,119
seem to be they seem to be being very

941
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,040
careful

942
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:40,639
and

943
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:41,520
uh

944
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,879
very kind you know you call it covert

945
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,760
but

946
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,159
i mean it's when you tame we're an

947
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,560
untamed species

948
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,359
and we don't even know that we're wild

949
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,760
animals because we haven't had

950
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,839
a higher order species

951
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,520
interact with us

952
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,960
so when

953
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,680
so that higher order species like when

954
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,760
we go to tame an animal is going to take

955
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,680
its time that's the only way you do it

956
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,760
takes a long time and they're dealing

957
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,920
with a colony of human beings a whole

958
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,119
bunch of them

959
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,920
so this is i'm just saying my my thought

960
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,200
my current thought

961
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,560
that's great

962
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,520
but it you know and what it seems like

963
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,680
is they're taking their time they don't

964
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,760
want to freak us out but they want us to

965
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,640
change

966
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,640
and i don't understand i think we need

967
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,480
to know why they're here

968
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,280
and what their intentions are

969
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,040
i think it's really important for us we

970
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,960
need to we don't know

971
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,359
we we've only seen what they've

972
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,560
you know

973
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:43,760
what's been available there's tons more

974
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,880
and we can make educated decisions the

975
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,640
more data we have

976
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:51,359
so that's i am for that we need we need

977
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,320
that

978
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,400
much i agree and everybody it's

979
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,720
happening that's what i can't believe

980
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:58,800
like oh my god you know nasa starts

981
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:04,870
yeah you heard me tim said today that

982
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,320
astronaut from england oh yes

983
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,839
yeah been discussing it all day with

984
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,400
some of my colleagues uh yes it's

985
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,160
because he spoke only

986
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,000
a month or two ago

987
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,000
and he came at it from a bit more of a

988
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,240
skeptical viewpoint and he seems like

989
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,760
he's now becoming more comfortable

990
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,000
talking about it which is amazing that's

991
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,520
great that's the way it's going to go

992
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,040
the more people that are willing to take

993
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,720
the risk the more people will follow

994
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,599
that

995
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,960
and there's plenty of people out there

996
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,599
and a lot of the guys you know they're

997
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,599
pilots military pilots

998
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,079
they're like hardcore jobs that people

999
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,480
trust their lives with these people

1000
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,720
they're not they don't make this stuff

1001
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,760
up

1002
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,079
they have no reason to do so

1003
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,160
uh and they've seen a lot

1004
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:50,880
yeah yeah and i love it bring them

1005
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,599
anybody please come you know if you

1006
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,920
if this is probably the best time ever

1007
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,440
you're going to get to come forward and

1008
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,920
we it's going to shift we got to make

1009
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,240
this transition to say all right

1010
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,119
they're out there you go to africa

1011
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:06,800
you know they think you're crazy if you

1012
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,069
yeah they really do they they're they uh

1013
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,680
i remember standing next to this guy and

1014
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,800
he you know

1015
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,040
i asked him he was in in one of the

1016
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,640
villages and

1017
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,560
we were staring at the sky and he's like

1018
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,320
do you think i said to him do you think

1019
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,000
there's anything out there and he said

1020
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,079
he looked at me like really strange he's

1021
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,920
like of course

1022
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,760
he thought it was insane

1023
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,720
to even say that anyways it's funny

1024
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,589
i guess you must have obviously looked

1025
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,440
at this some of the other school cases i

1026
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,119
know in a recent interview you mentioned

1027
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,960
that you actually went out to wales and

1028
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,119
to the bro investigated the broadhaven

1029
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,720
case and

1030
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,079
am i right in saying that they were not

1031
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,200
comfortable with coming forward

1032
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:55,920
no they were not um i spoke to three of

1033
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,960
them privately and uh wanted to do it on

1034
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:00,240
camera

1035
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,760
uh i did go to the library uh and i

1036
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,320
recovered all their drawings

1037
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,000
um there was a library across from

1038
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,839
broadhaven that has all their drawings

1039
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,960
that was

1040
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:13,280
important to me as how it compared to

1041
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,160
ariel yeah um but they all told me it

1042
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,400
happened for real

1043
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,800
and they were just they don't it had

1044
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,560
already caused so much trouble in their

1045
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,640
lives they just didn't think there was

1046
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,280
going to be anything good to come from

1047
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,839
them being on camera

1048
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,599
anymore i guess you have to respect that

1049
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,150
in the ufo community we probably you

1050
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,680
know we just want as many people to come

1051
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,440
forward but we you know i always try and

1052
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,040
take a step back and imagine that the

1053
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,640
ridicule and the stigma they must have

1054
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,839
been through for the 40 plus years since

1055
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,680
it happened you know is that something

1056
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,359
that you've seen change during the

1057
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:53,839
filming of you know 15 years of making

1058
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,720
ariel have you seen that stigma change

1059
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,839
yes

1060
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,680
i have uh that's good i mean you think

1061
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:00,880
about when

1062
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,000
whales happened that was i think 76

1063
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:06,000
77 77

1064
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,960
um

1065
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:09,119
they i mean that it was really rough

1066
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,240
back then

1067
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,160
the people in the 80s they had a little

1068
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,359
slightly little better the 90s maybe a

1069
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,720
little bit more

1070
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,760
and then now i mean ever since that new

1071
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,480
york times article and the pentagon

1072
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,640
stuff uh

1073
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,040
things have began begun to shift in sort

1074
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,599
of a fat at a faster pace

1075
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,870
so yeah i've seen i i've seen

1076
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,119
they were diagnosing people in the 70s

1077
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,040
as schizophrenic if they had seen

1078
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,640
something like this and then they moved

1079
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,880
it to another psychological

1080
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,320
you know

1081
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,760
um manifestation and and

1082
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,520
it just went on and on and on i don't

1083
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,000
think we got one now

1084
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,440
you know

1085
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,200
but not not that everybody's healthy in

1086
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,880
the field but

1087
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,079
um

1088
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,160
you know

1089
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,480
we're i think we're in a good place and

1090
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,680
uh

1091
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,200
one of the things that keeps a lot of

1092
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:07,760
people from coming out i can tell you

1093
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:10,319
that is is

1094
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,520
is

1095
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:13,440
the you know the conference the sort of

1096
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,680
uh i don't know the hype of it all

1097
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,200
um

1098
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,640
they just don't wanna

1099
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,640
that's not their forum

1100
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,520
you know they want to come out in uh

1101
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,160
a session of congress or something like

1102
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:30,240
that they that's how a lot of people

1103
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,359
think

1104
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:33,280
so you won't see any of those people at

1105
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,240
anything

1106
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:35,920
you shouldn't even know their names you

1107
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,560
know it's like

1108
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,319
um you may

1109
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,319
who knows i don't know we all we all

1110
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,240
meet these people that just want to be

1111
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,880
quiet you know even though

1112
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,319
they could come out and make a big

1113
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:50,880
difference because of who they are

1114
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,839
um

1115
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,920
yeah i've got a great question here from

1116
00:41:07,030 --> 00:40:58,240
uh from wilfred he asks what made the

1117
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,750
hmm

1118
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,270
um

1119
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,870
and one way oh man i was impacted by so

1120
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,160
many things

1121
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,560
you being able to capture it

1122
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:23,200
you know while it was happening

1123
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,990
to be able to

1124
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,400
be in these kids lives and have them

1125
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,760
trust me that i wasn't gonna

1126
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,160
exploit them or

1127
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,000
you know

1128
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,880
hurt them in that way at all

1129
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,680
um yeah i felt honored that they trusted

1130
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,800
me and they and they allowed me to film

1131
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,640
such a delicate environment which is why

1132
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:53,040
i didn't want any crew with me

1133
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,400
because i knew it was a one-on-one

1134
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,480
conversation you start to put people in

1135
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,880
the room it changes everything

1136
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,480
you don't get good interviews with a lot

1137
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,200
of equipment you get good interviews

1138
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,680
with a lot of eye contact and

1139
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:07,200
trust building

1140
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:08,079
yeah

1141
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:09,280
um

1142
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:10,000
so

1143
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:15,119
lighting or whatever you know but

1144
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,960
it's more powerful to see truth

1145
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,359
truth man it's growth on the wrong track

1146
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,880
they got to go to back to truth because

1147
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,160
that sells

1148
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,760
absolutely

1149
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,880
i love that

1150
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,319
raw it looks like

1151
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,839
yeah that raw feel to some of those

1152
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,720
scenes

1153
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,200
we're moving because of the fact that it

1154
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:36,319
wasn't just a big setup lit set it was

1155
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,599
pure organic and real so

1156
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,800
i felt it

1157
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,160
definitely

1158
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,400
that's great um jay allen's got a great

1159
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,319
question here have there been any

1160
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,079
follow-ups to the events were there any

1161
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,680
kind of hitchhiker type events following

1162
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,079
um and then any ongoing events this day

1163
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400
with these beings

1164
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,800
with that with the kids yeah if they

1165
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,400
have experienced any

1166
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,760
i suppose

1167
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,960
effects

1168
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,880
since the incident and lived with any

1169
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,400
kind of you know we talk about the

1170
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,079
hitchhiker effect where strange things

1171
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,920
happen to people that have been witness

1172
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,800
to to ufo sightings so i wondered if any

1173
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,240
of the kids have talked about anything

1174
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,920
strange still occurring in their lives

1175
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,079
during during your time knowing them

1176
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,960
they have i i they have asked me not to

1177
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,839
speak about it you know because

1178
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,880
yeah

1179
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:25,920
it's

1180
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,119
i don't know how widespread it is but i

1181
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:31,200
i can think of

1182
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,319
a few

1183
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,920
that i know

1184
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,760
well i haven't even got that because i

1185
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,480
got there with them because they haven't

1186
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,480
even got there with that you know what i

1187
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,680
mean so

1188
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,160
i i have to start with ariel where it

1189
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,440
all started

1190
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:46,960
and uh

1191
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,079
yeah i i just i i can't wait to start

1192
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:51,599
having them on

1193
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,000
you know on with me or on their own um

1194
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,079
because it's their story they can tell

1195
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,160
you better than i can i mean i know

1196
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,319
actually my value is i did all the

1197
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,240
research and did all the

1198
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,480
you know i know when things happen but

1199
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,119
in in what order and all that

1200
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,640
yeah so that's where i'm helpful when

1201
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,400
they're on it's like oh no no that was

1202
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,599
before

1203
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,480
they went out the first time

1204
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,240
no that was after they ran in and told

1205
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,560
the teachers anyway there's this

1206
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,359
it was a whole event i went on for 10 15

1207
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,230
but you also mentioned there were other

1208
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,000
sightings

1209
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:32,000
outside of the school

1210
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,280
because we know there was some rocket

1211
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,119
reentry or talk of a rocket reentry

1212
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,359
around that week but was there also

1213
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,400
other

1214
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,720
ufo sightings as well is there anything

1215
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,079
you can tell us about that without

1216
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,319
breaking any trust or problems sure it

1217
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,400
was um

1218
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,359
according to was a strategic air command

1219
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,640
at the time there was a russian

1220
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,640
russia launched the spy satellite in

1221
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,839
august 27th 26th 27th of the month

1222
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:59,040
before

1223
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,920
and

1224
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:02,880
a rocket body it's our

1225
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,839
53a i believe is the number because i i

1226
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,760
did a whole foia

1227
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,760
to the strategic air command which is

1228
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,880
now

1229
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,560
another organization

1230
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,560
um

1231
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,760
i did yes uh that and got that

1232
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,400
information oddly that booster was not

1233
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:21,839
on that list

1234
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,280
um but i do know that it probably did

1235
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,920
come over africa on that wednesday

1236
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,319
but that was not what everybody

1237
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,280
saw

1238
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,720
sure i mean that you know booster or

1239
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,760
rocket re-entry i've seen him before

1240
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,240
it's pretty straight line you know art

1241
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:42,640
arc it arcs over the sky but it's pretty

1242
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,760
consistent the break up little pieces

1243
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,560
but when you talk to the a lot of the

1244
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,920
people that were

1245
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,359
there

1246
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,119
they talked about something that

1247
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,720
happened at uh

1248
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:56,319
earlier

1249
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,280
that

1250
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:59,599
made turns

1251
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,240
you know that was close to the ground

1252
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,960
that was silver you know that wasn't in

1253
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,560
a disc shape

1254
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,160
that wasn't that thing

1255
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:09,839
and that kept happening over and over

1256
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,359
i'm like wow okay well good cover

1257
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,720
do it right after

1258
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,880
you were you can just

1259
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,480
you know oh yeah that was a re-entry no

1260
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,119
there was and then the pilots

1261
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,359
there were multiple pilots that saw that

1262
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,359
thing not just on

1263
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,800
wednesday

1264
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,920
but on thursday it was it it went on

1265
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,280
this whole thing went on you know how

1266
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,079
they call these things uh

1267
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,880
waves ufo waves or whatever

1268
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,599
and i've heard that in in my country

1269
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:41,839
and it's where they show up for in one

1270
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,119
location for about a week and um

1271
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,880
that seems to be what is what happened

1272
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:47,839
there

1273
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,359
and i haven't found them all by far

1274
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,760
that's fascinating sorry i'm

1275
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,440
just having a bit of a technical issue

1276
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,640
here there we go

1277
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,240
watching youtube or something on the

1278
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,440
side no one

1279
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,880
one of the guys in the chat has asked

1280
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,800
where he can watch aerial phenomenon in

1281
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,040
in the uk i think if you just go to

1282
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,670
we got it all smoothed out now

1283
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,800
yes

1284
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,200
excellent um i thought i had another

1285
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,990
no i didn't so i'm gonna go back to my

1286
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,599
questions now

1287
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:24,880
what i found quite interesting was that

1288
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,440
you recently attended the scu conference

1289
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,839
in huntsville alabama how was that i

1290
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,200
mean i saw a photo of you with colonel

1291
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,119
john alexander can you tell us any

1292
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,880
stories about people you met any

1293
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,119
conversations that without going into

1294
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:39,359
too much personal private information

1295
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,040
how was it it was great and um

1296
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,240
all i can really say is uh

1297
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,559
it's just amazing to see the right

1298
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,599
people

1299
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,359
getting involved

1300
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,040
finally

1301
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,640
like

1302
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,319
i couldn't believe i can't believe some

1303
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,400
of the people i'm meeting

1304
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,839
it's just

1305
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:01,200
incredible

1306
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:02,319
yeah

1307
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,319
and it's and there's also that thank god

1308
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,240
thank god here they are because they're

1309
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,480
they're here the right people are here

1310
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,200
brilliant scientists

1311
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,400
navy

1312
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,680
air force

1313
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,359
army

1314
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,480
like

1315
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,720
the best of the best

1316
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,359
and i'm excited about that i had some

1317
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,599
just incredible conversations in the

1318
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,750
i can't say anything at all of course of

1319
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,440
course i understand i had to ask you

1320
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,599
know i appreciate it and i'm not trying

1321
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:38,480
to do whatever it's just no no i totally

1322
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,400
understand that but uh wow

1323
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,920
i mean i saw some of the names of the

1324
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,240
people and photographs of people just at

1325
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:48,000
that conference and it was a who's who

1326
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:48,960
of

1327
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,119
i'd love to have been there so but no i

1328
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,640
appreciate you

1329
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:56,160
you know

1330
00:49:04,549 --> 00:48:59,920
what was exciting was to see a lot of

1331
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,559
uh highly educated physicists and uh the

1332
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,599
real

1333
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,520
the me the big minds

1334
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,720
that were there

1335
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,000
and

1336
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:11,920
i i watched i didn't really watch too

1337
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,599
many of the presentations well i did but

1338
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,200
not all of them and

1339
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,200
but i when i watched i was like you know

1340
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,280
what i think these guys got it

1341
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:23,040
they're on the right track they're doing

1342
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,240
everything

1343
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,760
the way it's supposed to be done

1344
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,880
scientific method which is great love it

1345
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,559
and uh

1346
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,000
and they're just doing it and it's the

1347
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,800
right group of people so i feel like scu

1348
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,440
is

1349
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,680
it's the only conference i go to

1350
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,640
right because i'm only interested in the

1351
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,400
people that can solve it

1352
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,280
right and they have this tool you know

1353
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:46,880
they got the tools that's what we need

1354
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,000
is access to those satellites access to

1355
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,720
the platforms where we can document this

1356
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,640
stuff and learn more

1357
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,720
yeah fascinating

1358
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,599
yeah

1359
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,200
great question here coming in from

1360
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,800
christopher playing hey chris good to

1361
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,640
see you my friend was there anything in

1362
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:04,559
randall's research that caught him by

1363
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,990
putting you on the spot here

1364
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:16,309
yeah

1365
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,990
we won't tell anyone

1366
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,960
um

1367
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,520
it was when i went into the i was like

1368
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:27,119
well

1369
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,000
i knew

1370
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,480
zimbabwe had you know had radar at this

1371
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,119
time and definitely south africa south

1372
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:35,440
africa is kind of the big

1373
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,040
biggest military power south of egypt

1374
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,359
um

1375
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:43,280
so i went into the air force base i'm

1376
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,800
like i'm going in i'm gonna ask him

1377
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,520
and uh so i went in talked to this guy

1378
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,839
he was the commander of the base

1379
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,160
he brought and i said you know i i've

1380
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,960
seen some stuff and uh so you hear about

1381
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,720
the aerial case and

1382
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,319
he brought me into his office with a

1383
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,599
female lieutenant colonel and

1384
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,400
he we sat we went in his office and he

1385
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,800
said yeah we see him all the time

1386
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,359
wow and i said what and i was like can i

1387
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,750
i always had my my camera in in like a

1388
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,480
bag hanging off my you know one of my

1389
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,119
small cameras for just this thing

1390
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,109
and and what was interesting is he said

1391
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:32,160
um we see him on radar all the time

1392
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,960
and

1393
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,400
he said what are you doing in this

1394
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,880
country why are you asking me this

1395
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,599
oh this this is your country

1396
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,839
they're in charge of this stuff

1397
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,040
and i was like what do you mean it's

1398
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:44,960
like well they they've been working on

1399
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,589
interesting um

1400
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,400
he said a few things to me and

1401
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,160
i followed up on those things but it

1402
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,559
came from another military

1403
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:00,960
who told me quite a bit

1404
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,839
uh that was surprising i walked in there

1405
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,599
figuring he was going to say get out of

1406
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,920
here yeah

1407
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,920
he's like no we see him on the radar all

1408
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:11,680
the time

1409
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,480
wow

1410
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,720
crazy speeds

1411
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,960
didn't expect that no i'd imagine not

1412
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,280
sorry

1413
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,800
by surprise

1414
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,400
there you go chris i hope that answered

1415
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,000
your question because that's amazing

1416
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:26,160
thank you so much for for telling us

1417
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,119
that

1418
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,800
um

1419
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,640
i will go to this question by jay allen

1420
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:32,000
because i'm interested in this too do

1421
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,359
you have any comments on the recent

1422
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,520
congressional hearings

1423
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,119
um

1424
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,599
for example they seem to

1425
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,599
be they're very basic easily dismissed

1426
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:42,800
events i just wondered if you had any

1427
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,440
overall thoughts on the hearings

1428
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,920
um it's never been done before

1429
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,119
which i

1430
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,640
it's not it wasn't perfect uh with a lot

1431
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:54,960
liked a lot more time

1432
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,950
i think it and i think it's the opening

1433
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,960
they opened the door

1434
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,599
to this i really believe that

1435
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,200
this is not the last time that's going

1436
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,480
to happen

1437
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,200
and a lot of things are having happening

1438
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,680
behind closed doors at the minority

1439
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:18,240
report meetings which you know it's just

1440
00:54:07,349 --> 00:53:19,040
a

1441
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:07,359
my perspective let's find out

1442
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,839
deal with it

1443
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,119
absolutely right well i've come to the

1444
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:12,960
bottom of my question list i have one

1445
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,280
final question which is

1446
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,680
do you have any plans or thoughts

1447
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,000
on doing another documentary maybe on

1448
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:22,240
ufos or are you working on anything at

1449
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,599
the moment um before i started ariel i

1450
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,880
was doing a

1451
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,880
documentary on bud hopkins before he

1452
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,680
died

1453
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,400
right so i shot for probably three years

1454
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:34,240
and um

1455
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:35,520
i

1456
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,160
know a sampler

1457
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:42,160
and

1458
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,960
that so i have a whole movie in the can

1459
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,200
about bud whole another movie about

1460
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,960
other people in africa

1461
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:53,440
that witnessed a hundred witnesses ever

1462
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,480
at least

1463
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,960
that i interviewed on the side like

1464
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,880
because these people say yeah i saw

1465
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,319
something i'm like would you be willing

1466
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,040
to talk about it on camera and they did

1467
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,559
so there's that and there's another

1468
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:07,440
story that i i that's in africa that i

1469
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,720
really want to do and um

1470
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,920
you're able to tell us about that

1471
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,839
if i say anything someone's going to do

1472
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,839
it

1473
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,160
i need a good six months off before i go

1474
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,000
back in there and do that one that one's

1475
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,599
gonna be tough

1476
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,880
but amazing it's an another amazing

1477
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:28,720
story that hasn't been told a lot

1478
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,309
the best ones kind of have been

1479
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,680
scrubbed you know i got this uh

1480
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,400
cynthia heinberg ufos oh yeah yeah yeah

1481
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,480
yeah fascinating shout out to gunter

1482
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,880
again who sent me this i mean

1483
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,440
some incredible cases in this book i'd

1484
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,599
recommend it to people but it's a it's

1485
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,920
very expensive to find but they're hard

1486
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,200
to find now

1487
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,000
i heard the mit conference book

1488
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,480
uh remember they had the mit conference

1489
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,559
in 1992

1490
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,040
right yeah they had it at mit about this

1491
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:07,359
subject matter the the textbook was this

1492
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,240
thick

1493
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,240
on textbook which i have one because i

1494
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,599
was there

1495
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:12,640
uh

1496
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,359
what is worth a thousand dollars online

1497
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,190
wow

1498
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,720
i mean i'm not surprised i'm not

1499
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,480
surprised at all

1500
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,589
randall

1501
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,720
i mean i've come to the end of the

1502
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,240
interview i could hang out and do this

1503
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,920
all day long to be honest it's such a

1504
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,680
good conversation but it's good to just

1505
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,760
relax and be myself and

1506
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,760
not try to talk to anything

1507
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,000
you know that's what i wanted and i'm so

1508
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,839
happy with this conversation so i cannot

1509
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,280
thank you enough

1510
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,040
and i think i got to thank my crew and

1511
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,599
my all the supporters and

1512
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,839
uh and the kids and their parents and

1513
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,520
the teachers and

1514
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:53,760
everybody so many people helped make

1515
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,240
this happen i

1516
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,640
wouldn't have happened without them

1517
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,559
yeah 100

1518
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,880
well thank you again uh thank you to

1519
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,640
everybody in the live chat thank you for

1520
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,839
the questions um i if you haven't seen

1521
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:10,000
an aerial phenomenon please i cannot

1522
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,839
recommend it enough you will not be

1523
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,920
disappointed show it to your friends and

1524
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,720
family they will enjoy it too um but

1525
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,040
yeah thank you guys i'm going to be back

1526
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,720
in about 10 days time i'm having a short

1527
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:22,559
vacation next weekend for my partner's

1528
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,680
birthday

1529
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,799
so

1530
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,559
yep a little delay there but guys thank

1531
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,720
you so much for watching uh have a great

1532
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,400
rest of your day and i'll see you on the